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« Reply #105 on: March 27, 2022, 12:52:12 pm »
Despite the obvious impracticality, it seems like it's serious and not just an art project to expose the cruelty of ranching?



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Philosopher Paul Thompson from Purdue University has suggested "The Blind Chicken Solution." He argues that chickens blinded by "accident" have been developed into a strain of laboratory chickens that don't mind being crowded together as much as normal chickens do. As a result, he argues, we should consider using blind chickens in food production as a solution to the problem of overcrowding in the poultry industry. He argues that it would be more humane to have blind chickens than ones that can see.

But Ford goes a step further and proposes a "Headless Chicken Solution." This would involve removing the cerebral cortex of the chicken to inhibit its sensory perceptions so that it could be produced in more densely packed conditions without the associated distress. The brain stem for the chicken would be kept intact so that the homeostatic functions continue to operate, allowing it to grow.

Ford proposes this solution for two reasons: To meet the rising demand for meat, particularly poultry, and to improve the welfare of the chickens by desensitizing them to the unpleasant reality of their existence.
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He added: "There are numerous differences between the current dominant production systems and the one I am proposing, but the fundamental difference is the removal of suffering. Whether what I am proposing is an appropriate means to achieve the removal of suffering is open to interpretation. In reality this should be decided at the level of the individual consumer, at the counter, handing over their money and 'voting' for their system of preference."

Ford believes that the Headless Chicken Solution has the same intentions as the lab-grown meats we have seen developed recently. "The intentions are the same -- the synthesis of animal protein without the suffering," he says.
https://www.wired.com/2012/02/headless-chicken-solution/

There is also the bonus Western evil of suggesting to "vote with your wallet" to end unspeakable evil that should never have been allowed to exist at all.

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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
« Reply #106 on: March 31, 2022, 02:00:46 am »
Untermensch morality 8: wildlife protection edition:
Russian morality 8: wildlife protection edition

https://einsamerkrieger.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/russian-wildlife-protection/
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Showoff mock-crane flight of KGB thug putin has caused a lot of praise amongst brainless libtard junkies. I wonder how their farter will explode when the real russian wildlife treatment comes to light.

https://youtu.be/JF9IzuSYOkI
Here, ruskie polar station staff planted an improvised explosive devise to bear’s food and filmed the result with traditional joyful “russian mat” imbecile comments. Not something new for a nation of sadistic subhumans with long-term traditions of animal abuse (example #1, example #2) and perverted terrorism.

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« Reply #107 on: March 31, 2022, 03:45:14 am »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/university-texas-scientists-crazy-ants-112056824.html

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Tawny crazy ants, first discovered near Houston, have infested parts of the Gulf Coast region in recent years and are known to swarm breaker boxes, AC units, sewage pumps and other electronic devices.

"White" crazy Westerners, first discovered near Andalus, have infested parts of the planet in recent centuries and are known to swarm oceans, forests, space and other civilizations.

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Edward LeBrun, a research scientist with the Texas Invasive Species Research Program at Brackenridge Field Laboratory, and his team observed populations of infected crazy ants.

90sRF, a volunteer with the Western Civilization Must Die Program at the True Left Forum, and his team observed populations of Counterculture-influenced crazy Westerners.

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    The disease spread to the entire crazy ant population in Estero, and within two years, their numbers plunged.

    Now, they're nonexistent, and native species are returning to the area.

If crazy Westerners had become nonexistent instead, the ants could have been saved. Unfortunately the Counterculture era was cut short before antinatalism had time to take hold.

(Seriously, Westerners initiated violence by putting all those electronic devices in the way. The ants are merely reacting to devices which should never have been put there in the first place. And Westerners respond by practicing Manifest Destiny on the ants.....)
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« Reply #108 on: April 06, 2022, 09:16:20 pm »

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« Reply #109 on: April 11, 2022, 10:32:54 pm »
More Western empiricism in action:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/organoids-help-researchers-understand-autism-182408501.html

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“One of the real challenges in autism is that we don’t have much of a biological understanding,” James McPartland, a clinical psychologist and autism researcher at Yale University, told The Daily Beast. “In most cases, we don’t even understand mechanisms in terms of phenotype. It’s like if I say a person with autism is less likely to make eye contact or more likely to have a strong response to sound, we don’t even understand exactly what’s the biological mechanism.”

But scientists are digging closer to unearthing that information by growing miniaturized human brains, called organoids, in the lab. In a new study reported in the journal Cell Reports on April 5, researchers in Austria took clumps of brain cells containing a mutated CHD8 gene—considered a strong genetic risk factor for autism, among countless others—and were able to glimpse how the gene affects early brain development.

“This is a very exciting direction of research,” Andrey Vyshedskiy, a neuroscientist at Boston University who was not involved in the study, told The Daily Beast. “Organoids are a new technology in the last decade and are allowing us to conduct experiments that can track neuronal development over time.”
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Another method depends on animal models such as fashioning mice with genetic mutations associated with autism, Gaia Novarino, a neuroscientist at The Institute of Science and Technology in Austria who led the study, told The Daily Beast. But a problem with studying mice modified with a mutated CHD8 is that they barely show macrocephaly, or an overly large head due to a greater brain volume and a symptom seen in some people with autism.

Going down the brain-in-a-petri-dish route, Novarino and her team took commercially available human stem cells and genetically altered one group to have the CHD8 mutation, leaving the other untouched. These two groups of stem cells were then coaxed to grow into functionally basic tissues containing neurons usually found in the brain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_organoid

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Ethical concerns have been raised with using cerebral organoids as a model for disease due to the potential of them experiencing sensations such as pain or having the ability to develop a consciousness.[40]

But they are being used anyway. I guess it was decided that it is more important for Western scientists' brains (which probably also have higher IQ test scores than the cerebral organoids) to experience sensations such as discovery or having the ability to develop Western science.
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« Reply #110 on: April 14, 2022, 11:13:33 pm »
https://theintercept.com/2022/04/14/killing-chickens-bird-flu-vsd/

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A hen, hooked up to electrodes, stands alone in a glass cage. She starts panting, thrashing, slumping over, and lunging at the enclosure’s walls, appearing to look for an escape. Outside the cage, researchers point, take notes, and watch her die.

These researchers are called Western scientists. Western scientists are among the most highly respected members of Western civilization and considered most essential to long-term Western progress. In fact, many Westerners today are worried that the present-day education system is producing an insufficient number of new Western scientists.

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These scenes, which took place at North Carolina State University, were documented in 10 hours of video footage recently obtained via public records requests by the organization Animal Outlook and shared with The Intercept. The experiments were funded by the U.S. Poultry and Egg Association, a major industry trade group, and took place in the wake of the 2015 outbreak of an aggressive bird flu that resulted in the culling of about 50 million farmed birds — not all of them necessarily infected — across the United States. The researchers were testing what was then a relatively new set of disease control methods: known as “ventilation shutdown,” the process kills the animals through heatstroke and suffocation, similar to dying in a hot car. According to Will Lowrey, the Animal Outlook attorney who obtained the videos, “the suffering is extremely profound.”

In 2020, Iowa Select Farms, the state’s largest pork producer, killed healthy pigs, who could not be slaughtered for food due to Covid-induced slaughterhouse closures, by sealing off the airways and pumping in heat: a practice called “ventilation shutdown plus.” In a groundbreaking undercover investigation covered by The Intercept, the animal rights group Direct Action Everywhere revealed pigs screaming in distress for hours as they, essentially, roasted to death. Soon after, Iowa Select announced that it was discontinuing its use of the method, commonly abbreviated as VSD+. New documents obtained through federal and state public records requests reveal that, far from being an aberration, the meat industry’s use of this gruesome method is still on the rise — and it’s being abetted by government and organized veterinary medicine.

Now, another strain of highly pathogenic avian influenza, or HPAI, is tearing through the country. More than 27 million chickens, turkeys, and other birds have been killed or scheduled to be killed — or “depopulated,” in meat industry jargon — since February. Many of these animals were killed with ventilation shutdown plus. In Iowa, the nation’s top egg-producing state, 5.3 million hens at a Rembrandt Enterprises egg factory farm were exterminated with VSD+ last month, the Storm Lake Times reported.
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Ventilation shutdown plus was also used in February at two chicken and turkey facilities in Kentucky, according to records from the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, or APHIS, which oversees management of farm animal disease outbreaks. In Minnesota, more than 1.7 million birds, mostly turkeys, have been or will soon be depopulated since the state’s first avian flu case on March 25, with an increasing number killed using VSD+ compared to the 2015 bird flu, according to state veterinarian Beth Thompson. In public records first released to Lowrey, requests to use the method have also appeared in Wisconsin and Missouri. The USDA financially compensates meat producers for these killings.

The videos obtained from NC State are remarkable because the meat industry often claims that undercover footage of cruel conditions taken by activists is doctored or staged. But these videos came directly from an industry-funded study, the raw footage of which was shared with The Intercept.

The research tested multiple versions of VSD: ventilation shutdown alone, which entails sealing off airflow to the birds’ cages, causing their body temperatures to rise to lethal levels; ventilation shutdown with additional heat, which speeds the process of killing them via heatstroke; and ventilation shutdown with carbon dioxide, which deprives the chickens’ bodies of oxygen. VSD with the addition of either or both of these is referred to as “VSD+.”

The hens took more than 91 minutes to die from ventilation shutdown alone, 54 minutes to die from VSD with supplemental heat, and 11.5 minutes to die from VSD with carbon dioxide, according to a 2017 final report based on the research that was submitted to the U.S. Poultry and Egg Association. According to a separate study published the following year by some of the same researchers, time to death is significantly longer for hens in a large, multilevel cage setting, which more closely resembles factory farm conditions than individual cages: 3.75 hours for VSD alone, 2 hours for VSD plus heat, and 1.5 hours for VSD plus carbon dioxide.

The Western defence:

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In some news reports on the current avian flu, sources have said that exterminating birds is more humane than letting them die of the disease. And HPAI is undoubtedly a terrible illness. “Many birds die suddenly, with mortality rates as high as 100% within a few days, though it can also take weeks. The dying birds likely suffer enormously as they struggle to breathe, develop diarrhea, and become paralyzed or otherwise neurologically compromised,” Gwendolen Reyes-Illg, a veterinary adviser to the Animal Welfare Institute, told The Intercept in an email.

How about not breeding the birds in the first place? But anyway:

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In the global scientific community, she said, “it’s generally accepted that, if one could assume that a procedure would cause pain or distress to a human, you can also assume it would do the same for an animal.”

So Western scientists officially know they are causing terrible pain to animals. They just don't care. Especially not when there is Western science to be done:

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Birds used in agricultural research get no protection under federal welfare laws. “The Animal Welfare Act, in the very definition of animals, excludes a number of types of animals used in laboratory experiments. These animals include rats, mice, and birds bred for research, as well as agricultural animals used for agricultural research,” said Jeremy Beckham, research advocacy coordinator for the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine. The agricultural exemption, he added, is “specifically [because] there are things done commonly to animals in an agricultural context that would be violations of the law if they were done to other research animals.”

(On the other hand, they seem to genuinely not know the correct meaning of "agriculture".)
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« Reply #111 on: April 16, 2022, 09:07:20 pm »
Westerners just cannot stop themselves:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/04/11/clone-pets-cat-science/

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When the beloved 5-year-old cat died in 2017, there was nothing her owner, Kelly Anderson, could do — or so she thought.

Chai’s body had not yet turned cold when Anderson remembered a conversation with her roommate about the Texas-based ViaGen Pets, one of just a few companies worldwide that clones pets. The next morning, she called them.

Some $25,000 and five years later, Anderson — a 32-year-old dog trainer from Austin — has a 6-month-old carbon copy of Chai curled up in her lap.
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More than 25 years after the controversial Dolly the sheep case, Anderson is part of a growing group of people paying a small fortune to clone their pets. But while scientific advancement has allowed the practice to become more commercial, the procedure itself raises ethical dilemmas, experts say.
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The problem is that cloning does not have a 100 percent success rate. Not all pregnancies will be fruitful, and not all embryos will be viable, which means several surrogate and egg donor animals may be used in the process.
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“People think, ‘Oh, I’ll just press a button and out will come Fido,’ but that’s just not the case,” said Robert Klitzman, director of the masters of bioethics program at Columbia University. “So you may love Fido, but do you really want several animals to die and suffer in order to have the one healthy Fido?”

Westerner on the appeal of sustainability:

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“I’ve always told people that I cloned not because I wanted to bring my cat back to life, but because I wanted to carry on a piece of her, and I think it’s definitely really comforting to have that in Belle,” Anderson said. “Even though they’re different cats, there’s still a piece of Chai in her. So it’s comforting in a way that I don’t really know how to explain.”

I know how to explain it: you are a Westerner.

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That same love has prompted others, including singer Barbra Streisand, to clone their pets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbra_Streisand

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Streisand's family was Jewish.[20][21][22] Her paternal grandparents emigrated from Galicia (Poland–Ukraine) and her maternal grandparents from the Russian Empire, where her grandfather had been a cantor.[23][24]
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Streisand began her education at the Jewish Orthodox Yeshiva of Brooklyn when she was five.[33]
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In June 2013, she helped celebrate the 90th birthday of Shimon Peres held at Jerusalem's international convention center.[149] She also performed at two other concerts in Tel Aviv that same week, part of her first concert tour of Israel.[150]
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In 1984, Streisand donated the Emanuel Streisand Building for Jewish Studies to the Hebrew University of Jerusalem
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In December 2011, she appeared at a fundraising gala for Israel Defense Forces charities.[165]

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/jews-have-nothing-in-common-with-us!/

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« Reply #112 on: April 19, 2022, 04:54:28 am »
Of course, without "western civilization" (correctly called modernism) there would be no hippopotamus in Colombia and probably Colombians would be unaware that such an animal exists, or at best treat it as a mythical creature. Invasive species is not a modernist concept, on the contrary modernists are the greatest invaders of all.

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« Reply #114 on: May 09, 2022, 12:04:35 am »
Westerners trying to prevent species extinction again:

https://us.yahoo.com/news/only-10-vaquita-porpoises-remain-024904914.html

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The number of vaquita, a tiny, silver porpoise that lives exclusively in Mexico's Gulf of California, is down to 10 remaining in the wild.

But the world's smallest and most endangered marine mammal may be able to keep its numbers up, even with inbreeding, researchers at the University of California, Los Angeles, determined in a study published in Science.
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"[The vaquita porpoise] represents a unique evolutionary lineage — there is no similar species anywhere in the world — and its loss would rob the ecosystem of an important predator adapted to this unique ecosystem," said senior co-author Robert Wayne.

What would the prey prefer? But Westerners think preserving species is more important than sparing innocent victims.

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« Reply #115 on: May 14, 2022, 01:31:51 pm »
From 2003:
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Liquidising goldfish 'not a crime'

An art display which invited the public to put live goldfish through a food blender did not constitute cruelty to animals, a Danish court has ruled.

The goldfish were placed on display swimming in the blenders, and visitors were told they could press the "on" button if they wanted.

At least one visitor did, killing two goldfish.

Peter Meyer, director of the Trapholt Art Museum in Kolding, 200 kilometres (125 miles) west of Copenhagen, was fined for cruelty to animals after complaints from campaign group Friends of Animals.

But a court in Denmark has now ruled that the fish were not treated cruelly, as they had not faced prolonged suffering.

The fish were killed "instantly" and "humanely", said Judge Preben Bagger.

Mr Meyer will not now have to pay the fine of 2,000 kroner (269 euros) originally imposed by Danish police.

The case only went to court because he refused to pay the police fine. He told the court that artistic freedom was at stake.

"It's a question of principle. An artist has the right to create works which defy our concept of what is right and what is wrong," he told the court in Kolding.
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The exhibit was created by Chilean-born Danish artist Marco Evaristti, who was apparently trying to test visitors' sense of right and wrong.

Mr Evaristti said at the time he wanted to force people to "do battle with their conscience".

The idea, he said, was to "place people before a dilemma: to choose between life and death."

"It was a protest against what is going on in the world, against this cynicism, this brutality that impregnates the world in which we live," he said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3040891.stm

Combatting the world's brutality by encouraging and perpetuating to it, good job.


I actually wasn't expecting this:
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Though raised a Catholic, in his teenage years Evaristti found out he was born to a Jewish mother, which some account for the philosophical and religious themes in his work.[2]
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On January 27, 2010, Evaristti exhibited his artwork "Rolexgate" which is a model of the entrance gate to the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp. 80% of the model is made up of gold which comes from the teeth of Jews who died in the concentration camps. The model had been briefly exhibited in Berlin, but was removed because of the audience reaction.[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Evaristti

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« Reply #116 on: May 14, 2022, 02:03:06 pm »
Even extinction is not enough to save a species from the Demiurge.

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Firm raises $15m to bring back woolly mammoth from extinction

Scientists set initial sights on creating elephant-mammoth hybrid, with first calves expected in six years
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The boost comes in the form of $15m (£11m) raised by the bioscience and genetics company Colossal, co-founded by Ben Lamm, a tech and software entrepreneur, and George Church, a professor of genetics at Harvard Medical School who has pioneered new approaches to gene editing.

The scientists have set their initial sights on creating an elephant-mammoth hybrid by making embryos in the laboratory that carry mammoth DNA. The starting point for the project involves taking skin cells from Asian elephants, which are threatened with extinction, and reprogramming them into more versatile stem cells that carry mammoth DNA.
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The project is framed as an effort to help conserve Asian elephants by equipping them with traits that allow them to thrive in vast stretches of the Arctic known as the mammoth steppe. But the scientists also believe introducing herds of elephant-mammoth hybrids to the Arctic tundra may help restore the degraded habitat and combat some of the impacts of the climate crisis. For example, by knocking down trees, the beasts might help to restore the former Arctic grasslands.

Not all scientists suspect that creating mammoth-like animals in the lab is the most effective way to restore the tundra. “My personal thinking is that the justifications given – the idea that you could geoengineer the Arctic environment using a herd of mammoths – isn’t plausible,” said Dr Victoria Herridge, an evolutionary biologist at the Natural History Museum.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/sep/13/firm-bring-back-woolly-mammoth-from-extinction

For a double dose of Western insanity, they think cloning massive mammoth herds is a practical way to 'combat climate change'...?

And for a triple dose, they want to patent its DNA.
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Advances and success in cloning and genetic engineering may mean passenger pigeons, dodos, gastric-brooding frogs, thylacines, woolly mammoths, and other extinct species will once again grace this planet. As de-extinction becomes a reality, it is uncertain whether these animals are patent eligible. Diamond v. Chakrabarty opened the door to cloning multicellular organisms. Since then, the U.S. Patent Office’s Board of Patent Appeals and Interferences has found “non-naturally occurring, man-made organisms including animals” to be patentable subject matter under 35 U.S.C. § 101.
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The Supreme Court holds that sections of naturally occurring DNA are not patent eligible, while non-naturally occurring synthetic strands are. But the Court has not considered organisms created from both naturally occurring and synthetic DNA, as would be the case in de-extinction.
https://digitalcommons.law.uw.edu/wjlta/vol11/iss3/3/

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« Reply #117 on: May 14, 2022, 08:02:16 pm »
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An art display which invited the public to put live goldfish through a food blender did not constitute cruelty to animals, a Danish court has ruled.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/denmark/

"Even extinction is not enough to save a species from the Demiurge."

Extinction of the Demiurge's worshippers is what we need.
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« Reply #118 on: May 15, 2022, 02:50:51 pm »
From 2003:
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Liquidising goldfish 'not a crime'
From your link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3040891.stm
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The exhibit was created by Chilean-born Danish artist Marco Evaristti, who was apparently trying to test visitors' sense of right and wrong.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Evaristti#Early_life
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Though raised a Catholic, in his teenage years Evaristti found out he was born to a Jewish mother, which some account for the philosophical and religious themes in his work.
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« Reply #119 on: May 16, 2022, 09:12:34 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ai-killing-machines-hoover-exterminate-142214574.html

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Sting operation: Undersea killing machines to make mincemeat of giant jellyfish

An underwater robot hunter has been built to seek out and destroy soaring numbers of jellyfish.

Jellyfish are proliferating at a rapid rate in some parts of the world, such as Japan, with sightings in British waters also becoming more common.

Such vast numbers of the animals pose a risk to the fishing industry because they get caught in nets, spoil catches and endanger crew and vessels.
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When jellyfish are identified, a large-mouthed hose will suck the creature into the vehicle - where jets of highly pressurised water and a turbine will shred the animal to pieces.


We need something that can shred Westerners to pieces.