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Re: Vaccination
« Reply #45 on: January 26, 2022, 04:21:39 am »
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Re: Vaccination
« Reply #46 on: January 26, 2022, 08:19:09 am »
I meant that I will consult you and follow your advice as to whether or not get the vaccine.
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Re: Vaccination
« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2022, 10:19:22 am »
2022 Winter Olympics at Beijing, China exempt vaccinated athletes from Immunoglobulin test at athletes' countries and quarantine for 21 days in China unless medical exemption.

https://blogs.bmj.com/bjsm/2022/01/21/covid-19-precautions-vaccination-policy-for-beijing-2022-winter-olympic-and-paralympic-games/


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Re: Vaccination
« Reply #48 on: January 29, 2022, 08:47:03 pm »
I just don't even know what to say anymore. The name 'Socrates' comes to my mind almost every single day now. How can Westerners be this retarded?

Pamela Brown looks at GOP comparisons of Covid-19 mandates to Nazi Germany
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CNN's Pamela Brown breaks down various Republicans comparing Covid-19 mandates to Nazi Germany during the Holocaust. #CNN #News


Nazi medicine and the ethics of human research
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Baumslag explores in impressive detail how typhus was characterised by Nazis as the Jewish plague. Those who suffered from it were killed in huge numbers or isolated in unsanitary conditions, with inadequate food and medicine. In the concentration camps, typhus was allowed to flourish and pris-oners were deliberately infected with the disease to test typhus vaccines.
https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(05)67199-1.pdf

These are supposed to be your medical doctors, how can they be this stupid? If they're this dumb when it comes to history, how do we trust them with any other topic? Can they even read properly?
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Epidemic typhus has historically occurred during times of war and deprivation. For example, typhus killed millions of prisoners in German Nazi concentration camps during World War II. The deteriorating quality of hygiene in camps such as Auschwitz, Theresienstadt, and Bergen-Belsen created conditions where diseases such as typhus flourished.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemic_typhus





I guess if you're dumb enough to believe you actually have "white" skin and that Germans are foolish enough to make soap from typhus riddled Jewish corpses, then you're probably stupid enough to believe Germans would spread typhus around intentionally during a fucken world war of all things!?!? So, why did Germans use Zyklon B in order to fight typhus in the camps if they were supposedly spreading typhus around in the camps intentionally in the first place?

Here's a mental exercise for Westerners, are the corpses in the following picture Jewish corpses or German corpses, and how do you know?:


THIS is how absolutely ignorant Westerners truly are!!!

Another angle to the picture above:





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Re: Vaccination
« Reply #49 on: February 12, 2022, 03:00:48 pm »
Thousands of workers lose jobs after failing to meet vaccine requirement
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In New York City, 3,000 workers face termination.

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Re: Vaccination
« Reply #50 on: April 16, 2022, 11:55:55 pm »
https://us.yahoo.com/news/why-cant-boost-way-covid-121617847.html

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Why we can't 'boost' our way out of the COVID-19 pandemic for the long term
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the vaccines have failed to provide long-term protective immunity to prevent breakthrough infections – cases of COVID-19 infection that occur in people who are fully vaccinated.

Because of this, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recently endorsed a second booster shot for individuals 50 years of age and older and people who are immunocompromised. Other countries including Israel, the U.K. and South Korea have also approved a second booster.

However, it has become increasingly clear that the second booster does not provide long-lasting protection against breakthrough infections.
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While the third dose – or first booster – of COVID-19 vaccines was highly effective in preventing the severe form of COVID-19, the protection afforded against infection lasted for less than four to six months.

That diminished protection even after the third dose is what led the CDC to endorse the fourth shot of COVID-19 vaccine – called the second booster – for people who are immunocompromised and those aged 50 and older.

However, a recent preliminary study from Israel that has not yet been peer-reviewed showed that the second booster did not further boost the immune response but merely restored the waning immune response seen during the third dose. Also, the second booster provided little extra protection against COVID-19 when compared to the initial three doses.
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In addition to the inability of the current COVID-19 vaccines to provide long-term immunity, some researchers believe that frequent or constant exposure to foreign molecules found in an infectious agent may cause immune “exhaustion.”

Such a phenomenon has been widely reported with HIV infection and cancer. In those cases, because the T cells “see” the foreign molecules all the time, they can get worn down and fail to rid the body of the cancer or HIV.

Evidence also suggests that in severe cases of COVID-19, the killer T cells may be exhibiting immune exhaustion and therefore be unable to mount a strong immune response.

So, with all the above information in front of them, can they now finally figure out what should be done instead? No, because they are Western medics:

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the next phase of vaccine development will need to focus on how to trigger a long-lived antibody response that would last for at least a year, making it likely that COVID-19 vaccines will become an annual shot.

FFS WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?! JUST PREVENT TRANSMISSIONS AND THE PANDEMIC WILL BE OVER!
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Re: Vaccination
« Reply #51 on: April 21, 2022, 09:23:18 pm »
I told you so:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/covid-whiplash-now-dominant-ba-004116151.html

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Covid Whiplash: Now-Dominant BA.2 Variant Being Quickly Overtaken Across The U.S. By Yet Another Faster-Growing Omicron Offshoot, Says CDC
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Just as most Americans have caught wind of the BA.2 variant of Omicron — which overtook the original Omicron as the dominant strain in the U.S. less than a month ago — another possibly faster-growing version of Omicron is quickly making inroads.

The new Omicron sublineage BA.2.12.1 now accounts for 19% of all new cases specifically sequenced for variants in the country, according to data released Tuesday by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control. That means the strain — barely on the national radar two weeks ago — is now being identified in close to 1 in 5 newly-sequenced cases, up from 1.5% less than a month before on 3/19. Given that, Americans trying to keep up may be experiencing a form of variant whiplash.



The more vaccines used, the more the virus evolves in response. The cycle will never end until transmissions end. And yet the very rationale behind vaccines is to reduce the immediate danger of transmissions (and hence remove the incentive for stopping trasmissions). Welcome to Western civilization.

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Re: Vaccination
« Reply #52 on: April 21, 2022, 09:31:51 pm »
Unfortunately, False Leftists do not hold this view, but rather the opposite:

Fauci: Lockdowns are for getting people vaccinated, virus cannot be eradicated:


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Re: Vaccination
« Reply #53 on: May 01, 2022, 10:25:33 pm »
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The new Omicron sublineage BA.2.12.1

Never mind:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/south-african-covid-variants-omicron-193245240.html

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New South African Covid Variants, Omicron BA.4 And BA.5, Found In U.S. For First Time; May Be More Transmissible Than BA.2

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Re: Vaccination
« Reply #54 on: July 06, 2022, 07:34:21 pm »
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/omicron-subvariant-now-dominating-u-172311998.html

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The omicron subvariant now dominating the U.S. is ‘the worst version of the virus that we’ve seen’
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“It takes immune escape, already extensive, to the next level, and, as a function of that, enhanced transmissibility,” well beyond what has been seen before, he wrote.
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The variants, discovered in South Africa, quickly took hold in the country in April and May despite the fact that almost all South Africans had been vaccinated or previously had COVID by that point.

Replace "despite" with "because of". Will Westerners ever learn?


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Re: Vaccination
« Reply #55 on: July 07, 2022, 09:08:05 pm »
They will not learn:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/multipronged-vaccine-protects-against-covid-033426781.html

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A new type of vaccine developed at Caltech aims to ward off novel coronaviruses even before health officials are aware that they exist.

This is how Westerners think. They can't help it. And then of course Western scientists will try it out:

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When tested in mice and monkeys, it trained the animals' immune systems to recognize eight viruses at once — and induced immunity to viruses they had never encountered.
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the vaccinated mice and monkeys had little to no detectable virus in their systems despite attempts to infect them with either SARS-CoV or SARS-CoV-2.

"We're very excited about that,” Bjorkman said.

That wasn't the case with the animals injected with the bare nanoparticle — they weren't able to fight off any viruses and died. The animals that received the vaccine with pieces of SARS-CoV-2 only were protected against that virus but had no protection against any other coronavirus, and most of them died as well.

Finally, to pre-emptively avoid responsibility for unforeseen negative outcomes later, blame the victims ahead of time:

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“It’s certainly encouraging," said Dr. Paul Offit, a virologist and immunologist at the University of Pennsylvania. "But these are animal model studies, and as is well known among scientists, mice lie and monkeys exaggerate."

And as is well known among True Leftists, Western scientists behave like Westerners in general, but worse.

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Re: Vaccination
« Reply #56 on: July 10, 2022, 08:05:08 pm »
Previously:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/vaccination/msg10777/#msg10777

Western brains are still broken:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/another-covid-19-variant-spreading-204525051.html

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each new infection gives the virus a possibility to change its structure and become a more challenging disease to prevent.

“Every time it infects someone, there’s a chance it mutates,” said Shane Fernando, an assistant professor of pediatrics at the University of North Texas Health Science Center.
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Fernando, who has a PhD in epidemiology, said one way to think about variants and subvariants of the original virus is to understand that the virus is trying to mutate so that it can better survive and continue to spread.

“Every hurdle that it comes across, it evolves in order to bypass or surpass that obstacle,” Fernando said.

This should be all the information anyone needs to conclude that the solution is to PREVENT NEW INFECTIONS, and certainly not to insert more and more of the very hurdles that the guy just explained literally help the virus become stronger.

But just a few paragraphs later, we are back to:

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Where can I get the COVID-19 vaccine or booster in Fort Worth?

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« Reply #57 on: September 06, 2022, 07:33:01 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/yet-another-curveball-covid-mutation-084446293.html

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When the pharmaceutical industry scrambled to develop the first COVID vaccines back in 2020, it made sense that developers focused on the part of the virus that allows it to grab onto and infect our cells: the spike proteins.

The best vaccines contain a piece of the spike, or genetic data about the spike, either of which can spur an immune response. Not to be outdone, the virus has been mutating—with many of the changes occurring on that same spike.

But other parts of the virus are changing, too. Now, for the first time, a team of scientists has scrutinized these changes—and voiced a warning.

“With each major variant that has been identified, we are seeing mutations outside of [the] spike that we are trying to figure out,” Matthew Frieman, a University of Maryland School of Medicine immunologist and microbiologist and lead author of the new study, told The Daily Beast.

It’s possible the virus is accumulating non-spike mutations in an attempt to gain some advantage over our collective immunity as the COVID pandemic grinds toward its fourth year. These new mutations might not make the virus more infectious the way spike mutations do, but they could be associated with longer infections.

So have Western brains figured out what the problem is yet? Of course not, because Western brains are broken:

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If this trend continues—and there’s no reason to believe it won’t—we might eventually need new antiviral drugs and new vaccine formulations that aren’t so specifically focused on the spike.

THEN THE VIRUS WILL JUST GO BACK TO THE SPIKE! WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS?!

It's not that Western scientists, being scientists, don't understand what the virus is doing (they do, after initiating enough violence on innocent victims to do so):

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“Viruses don’t do things by accident.” Instead, they try out small changes, over and over, until some combination of changes helps it survive and spread. The resulting variant or subvariant then outcompetes other forms of the pathogen until it becomes dominant—and the likely basis for the next set of mutations.

To understand the reason for, and effects of, the non-spike mutations, Frieman’s team cloned SARS-CoV-2 then started deleting the spike proteins and testing the resulting “deletion viruses” on mice, assessing how contagious the viruses were and how severe the infections were.
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For now, it seems the spike and non-spike mutations are working together. The spike mutations make the virus steadily more contagious. “Mutations in [the] spike have been identified in every major variant that then out-competes the previous variant,” Frieman explained.

Meanwhile, the non-spike mutations appear to prolong infection. This in turn gives the pathogen more time to mutate inside a particular person, and also spread to other people. “We hypothesize that this balance is critical for further evolution of SARS-CoV-2,” Frieman’s team wrote.

It's that they, being Westerners, don't know any response besides mirroring what the virus is doing:

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Frieman said his goal is to scrutinize these non-spike mutations in order to “figure out what they do, how they do it [and] why they make the virus better at being a virus.” “Then we can use that information to make drugs,” including new antiviral therapies and vaccine formulations.

They even think that the solution is to go faster:

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Speed matters. The Omicron variant and its rapid-fire subvariants, each coming just a couple months after the last, was a warning that our pharmaceutical research-and-development processes might be too slow. Note that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration just last week green-lit Omicron-specific vaccine boosters—a full 10 months after the initial Omicron variant first became dominant. “Omicron and its lineages”—another term for subvariants—“taught us a lesson for the need to be more agile in modifying the vaccine,”

NO, THE MORE AGILE THE VACCINE BECOMES, THE MORE AGILE THE VIRUS BECOMES! THAT'S HOW PREDATOR-PREY DYNAMICS WORK!

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That problem could get worse if the rate of non-spike mutations accelerates. Our vaccine R&D is too slow even when it’s narrowly focused on the spike. What happens when it needs to broaden its scope to combat a virus that’s learning to mutate across its structure?

There’s another wrinkle. These accumulating mutations across the novel-coronavirus—on the spike and not on the spike—could start to mess with the polymerase chain-reaction tests we use to detect and track the virus.

PCR tests and sequencing use primers tailored for a certain range of viral characteristics. Too many mutations “can mess with the PCR test,” Niema Moshiri, a geneticist at the University of California-San Diego, told The Daily Beast.

Pay attention, but don’t panic. It’s really no surprise that SARS-CoV-2 is trying out mutations on different parts of the virus. That’s what viruses do—adapt.

Exactly. Yet read the next sentence:

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The trick for us, the novel-coronavirus’s host, is to adapt at least as quickly.



No, the trick is to stop thinking like a Westerner:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/vaccination/msg10403/#msg10403

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Immunity approach = "We will evolve to be immune to you, and if you keep evolving in response, we will just keep evolving faster!"

Lockdown approach = "We will (by preventing transmissions) prevent you from evolving, so that we don't need to evolve either!"

The immunity approach is, at its core, a manifestation of progressivism (and hence equating the acquiring of more and more immunity with strengthening). The lockdown approach is a manifestation of regressivism (and hence equating the acquiring of more and more immunity with adulteration).

Regressivism must defeat progressivism if we are to break the cycle.

At least some comments are getting it now:

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Vaccines for SARS-CoV-2 and influenza will always be chasing these constantly evolving viral mutations, so the alternative is to also focus on the science involved in reducing transmission (primarily airborne via small infectious respiratory aerosols) in indoor settings.
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BTW the vaccines themselves exert evolutionary pressure on how these viruses evolve as they pass through the population.

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The vaccine is mutating this virus in my opinion.

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What we need is another full lockdown. Everyone I know is catching this. During the lockdown, the spread was much less.

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The mRNA vaccines are causing the mutations.

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Will anyone dare to hypothesize that the leaky vaccine is contributing to the variants?
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Re: Vaccination
« Reply #58 on: October 15, 2022, 11:46:46 pm »
Sigh:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nightmare-covid-variant-beats-immunity-025733218.html

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The Nightmare COVID Variant That Beats Our Immunity Is Finally Here
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A highly-mutated descendant of the Omicron variant of the SAR-CoV-2 virus that drove a record wave of infections starting around a year ago, XBB in many ways is the worst form of the virus so far. It’s more contagious than any previous variant or subvariant. It also evades the antibodies from monoclonal therapies, potentially rendering a whole category of drugs ineffective as COVID treatments.

“It is likely the most immune-evasive and poses problems for current monoclonal antibody-based treatments and prevention strategy,” Amesh Adalja, a public-health expert at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, told The Daily Beast in reference to XBB.

And Westerners will never learn:

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The implication, of course, is that we’re eventually going to need another new booster in order to keep pace with the fast-evolving virus.

No, the implication is that you need to LOCKDOWN and stop all transmissions (and hence all further evolution) once and for all.

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More and more health officials are coming around to the idea of an annual COVID booster. U.S. president Joe Biden even endorsed the idea in a statement last month. “As the virus continues to change, we will now be able to update our vaccines annually to target the dominant variant,” Biden said. “Just like your annual flu shot, you should get it sometime between Labor Day and Halloween.”

But one booster a year might not be enough if, as some epidemiologists fear, natural antibodies fade faster and the novel-coronavirus mutates at an accelerating rate. One concern, if it turns out we need twice-a-year new boosters, is whether industry can develop fresh jabs fast enough and health agencies can swiftly approve them.

It is mutating at an accelerating rate BECAUSE you are accelerating the rate of boosters!

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The virus isn’t done with us. Which means we can’t be done with it. Get boosted. And be prepared to get boosted again in 2023.

And be prepared for this cycle of stupidity to continue until Westerners cease to be the ones in charge.
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Re: Vaccination
« Reply #59 on: October 16, 2022, 02:27:34 am »
Thailand has just authorised vaccination for 6-month to 4-year-old.